本题目:刘晓明大使接受米国全国广播公司采访实录

2019年11月14日,刘晓明大使在缺席“法国巴黎银止寰球市场大会”并揭橥宗旨报告后,接收了米国天下播送公司财经频道(CNBC, Consumer News and Business Channel)资深记者安奈特·威斯巴赫采访,便华为、中美关系、中英关系、英国脱欧等问题论述中方见地和破场。采访式样于15日在应频讲“欧洲财经论坛”(Squawk Box Europe)节目播出,并在网站和推特同时登载,实录以下:

主持人:闭于华为及其设备在5G收集中的感化,有许多分歧的见解。对付此你怎样看?你是否背欧洲跟米国的花费者保障,华为装备没有存在职何问题?

刘大使:我认为,华为和其贸易协作搭档之间出有甚么问题,由于华为确实是一家很好的企业,它不只为英国的电讯业收展做出宏大奉献,并且很好地实行了企业义务,在英雇佣约2万名职工,投资30亿英镑。华为是5G技巧的当先者,英国电讯企业都欢送华为。固然也有一些纯音,有些国度不肯看到华为在欧洲的发作,向欧洲国家施减伟大压力,我就不面这个国家的名了。

停止今朝,英国、德国、法国等欧洲国家对此仍存在不批准睹,仍在禁止探讨,当局尚已做出最后决定。我们懂得一些国家的安全关切,华为对此也理解,并且正在努力解决这些平安关切。华为建立了完全由英国人构成的网络保险评价核心,出资请专家来监测、剖析华为的设备是不是存在安全隐患和问题。因此,华为是十分公然通明的,他们希望能成为很好的合作伙陪。正如我常说的,华为将为中英、中欧5G范畴合作带来“黄金”机会,制止华为象征着错掉良机。

我衷心生机英国、德国、法国当局从本身国家好处和对华合做动身,做出准确抉择,而不是受冷战思想硬套,更不克不及弄政治打压。我希视华为能在英国实现互利共赢合作。正如我方才在演讲中所说,中国开放的大门只会越开越大,我们也希看其余国家异样坚持开放,而不是对中国打开大门。

主持人:你提到了热战,中美之间的天缘政事缓和状况让人感触到一丝冷战气味。欧洲蒙受压力,还没有做出决定,对其中方怎样看?

刘大使:我们曾经道得很明白,中国有意与美接触,不管那是暗斗,仍是冷战,借是贸易战。我们盼望与米国树立配合、和谐、稳固、不抵触、错误抗的关系。中美是天下上最大的两个经济体,中美关联是世界战争与繁华决议性身分。中美开则两利,斗则俱伤。因而咱们对与美开火不感兴致。

我愉快地看到,中嘉话判卒员正在抓紧尽力任务,处理贸易问题。我们不请求欧洲国家在中美之间选边站队。英美有特别关系,当心中英也在努力于挨制“黄金时期”。我们寻求互利双赢,而非“整和”游戏,既不是欧洲赢、米国赢而中国输,也不是中国赢、欧洲赢而米国输。我们愿望人人完成共赢,这就是我们的立场。

主持人:我们谈谈中美贸易谈判第一阶段协议吧,协议仿佛已达成,但还仍存在一些易点。中方认为关键在那里?

刘大使:我认为单朴直在就细节进行稀散商量。我其实不了解细节,即使我懂得,我也必需谨严亮相,免得烦扰谈判进程。但依据我的理解,关税应该是重要议题之一。加征关税不吻合自在贸易准则,“贸易战”起于加征关税,也应该以撤消贪图加征的关税而了结。我希望第一阶段协议能尽快顺遂达成,以便可能进进第2、第三阶段。

主持人:有人认为常识产权维护也是中美贸易谈判的一个核心,中圆在此题目上能否会有所让步?

刘大使:改造开放40年来,中国在增强知识产权掩护方里支付了亲爱的努力,获得了超乎平常的先进,这一点无须置疑。起首,人们答该确定中国所与得巨大提高。其次,中方当真看待米国等国家在知识产权问题上的关心,也否认各国均需要精益求精。正如我常讲的,没有哪一个国家是完善的,世界上最大的空间就是一直改良的空间。第三,我认为动辄指责、声讨毫无好处。一些西方官僚指责中国“盗取”米国技术,这类说法是完整过错的。中国的发展奇观靠的是中国国民从前70年的艰难斗争,不是靠“偷盗”它国知识产权。东方应当公平宾不雅地对待这个问题,而不是责备中国“偷盗”。如许才有利于两边就这一主要议题发展合作。

主持人:特朗普总统说过,打赢贸易战很轻易,对此你怎么看?

刘年夜使:我在很多场所皆讲过,贸易战不赢家。

掌管人:对于贸易会谈过程,您以为有时光表吗?很显明,来岁米国将举办年夜选,商业战将与选战交错正在一路,中国事可持张望态度,等着取下一届好国总统再道?

刘大使:我认为这不是中方的立场。中国持开放立场,我们希望问题解决得越早越好,果为这不但合乎中美两国的利益,也契合全球的利益。中美贸易矛盾已给世界带去许多不断定性、弗成猜测性,齐世界都很存眷,中美单方谈判官员责任严重。我认为中方不会不雅望,这不是我们的立场。我们希望尽快告竣协定,然而“一个巴掌拍不响”,须要两边独特作出努力。

采访中,刘大使还就中国经济、中英关系、英国脱欧答复了记者的发问。

英文真录:

On November 14, 2019, Ambassador Liu Xiaoming gave an exclusive live interview on CNBC with Annette Weisbach after delivering a keynote speech at the Global Markets Conference 2019 held by BNP Paribas。 He shared thoughts on Huawei, China-US relations and trade negotiations, China-UK relations, Brexit and other questions。 The interview was broadcast on CNBC “Squawk Box Europe” the next morning, and carried on CNBC website and twitter。 The transcript is as follows。

Weisbach: There’s a lot of controversy about Huawei’s role in 5G network and its equipments。 What is your response here? Can you assure European and also the US consumers that there won’t be any sort of problems with those equipments?

Ambassador Liu: I do not foresee a major problem between Huawei and their business partners, because Huawei is really a good company。 They contribute a great deal not only in terms of telecom industry in this country, but also in terms of corporate responsibilities。 They employed about 20,000 employees and invested 3 billion US dollars in this country。 And they are the leader in 5G。 I think the British business partners still welcome Huawei。

There are some noises。 I don‘t want to name the country。 They do not want to see Huawei have a better presence in European countries。 They twist arms of, they put pressure on these countries。 But so far, I think some European countries, like Britain, Germany, and France, have not yet made a final decision。 In terms of government decision, I think it is still debated, with divided views。

We understand people might have some concerns。 Huawei also understands the so-called security concern, so they try to address this concern。 Huawei has set up Cyber Security Evaluation Centre staffed by British people。 Huawei paid for this facility to monitor and analyze their own facilities – whether they are secure and safe, whether there‘s a problem。 So they are very transparent。 They want to be a good partner。 I always say that Huawei will present golden opportunities for China and the UK and for China and European countries to collaborate in 5G。 If you kick out Huawei, you really miss opportunities。

So I do hope that, the British government, German government, or French government, they will make decision based on their own national interests, based on their collaboration with China in building a strong partnership with China, but not based on some political witch hunt or, I would call, Cold War mentality。 So I do hope Huawei will be here for win-win cooperation。 As China will open its door wider, I do hope other countries will also open their doors and will not shut the doors to China。

Weisbach: You have said Cold War。 And it feels a bit that these geopolitical tensions between United States and China do have a bit of a feel of the Cold War。 And also, it feels that Europe has to make up its mind, at least the pressure is on Europe。 How do you see China positioned here?

Ambassador Liu: We make it very clear。 We‘re not interested in any war, whether it is cold war, or hot war, or trade war with the United States。 We want to build a cooperative, coordinated, a non-confrontation relationship with the United States。 We believe that there will be no peace or prosperity in the world without sound relations between China and the US, the two largest economies in the world。 We always believe that China and the United States will benefit from cooperation and lose from confrontation。 So we are not interested in any wars with the United States。 I’m very pleased that Chinese and American negotiators are working very hard to address trade issues。

With regard to Europe, we do not ask European countries to take side between China and the US。 The UK has a special relationship with the US, but we’re also building a “golden era” between China and the UK。 So we want to work for win-win, not a zero sum game。 Not Europe wins, America wins and China loses。 Not China wins, Europe wins and America loses。 We want win-win for all。 That is our position。

Weisbach: Let‘s talk about this phase one deal between the US and China, and where the sticking points are, because it seems that the deal is within reach but there seems to be some sticking points。 What are they from the Chinese position?

Ambassador Liu: I think the negotiators are still very much occupied with the details。 I do not have the details。 Even if I had, I would have to be cautious。 I don‘t want to interrupt the process。 But I think the tariffs might be one of the very important issues, based on my understanding of the negotiations。 Because the trade war started with the tariffs, it should be ended with removing all the tariffs imposed by the other side, because it is not in the spirit of free trade。 So we do hope that we can clinch the phase one deal sooner, so that we can move on to phase two and phase three。

Weisbach: What one is hearing is that intellectual property rights are also at the center of that debate or the negotiations。 Would China be in a position to compromise a bit in that stance?

Ambassador Liu: China has made great efforts in the past 40 years since the reform and opening up in terms of improving the intellectual property right。 First, I would say people should recognize the tremendous progress that China has made in this respect。 Number two, we also realize that we need to do more。 As I always say, the largest room in the world is the room for improvement。 So no country is perfect, but we are serious about addressing the concerns of other countries, including the United States。 That is the second point I want to make。

Third, I don‘t think resorting to war of words, accusing each other, is helpful at all。 Some politicians criticize China for so-called “stealing technology” from the United States。 I think they have a wrong impression。 China’s miracle is not built on theft of other countries’ property。 It’s built by the hard working people of China in the past 70 years。 So I think you really have to address this issue in sincerity and try to tackle this problem with honesty, sincerity, rather than accusing China of so called stealing。 That will be helpful for the two sides to work on this important issue。

Weisbach: President Trump once said the trade war is easy to win。 What would you respond to that?

Ambassador Liu: I said on many occasions that there will be no winners in trade wars。

Weisbach: And let‘s talk about the further evolution of the trade negotiations。 What do you think will be the timeline? Because we are clearly, next year, heading into new elections in the United States, so it could be all tied together。 Would the Chinese position rather be to wait and see who will be the next president?

Ambassador Liu: I don‘t think that is China’s position。 We are open-minded。 We always want to resolve this problem sooner than later because we believe it is in the interest not only of China but also of the United States, also of the world。

The trade war between China and the United States really created a lot of uncertainties and unpredictabilities。 And I think the world is watching。 I think the negotiators of the two countries really have a big duty on their shoulders。 I don‘t think it is the intention of China to wait and see。 That is not our position。 We want to clinch the agreement as soon as possible。 But you need two to tango, right?

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